Citizens continue efforts to shut down REEF
by JONATHAN GRASS
Jan 11, 2010 | 2326 views | 29 29 comments | 14 14 recommendations | email to a friend | print
TALLADEGA COUNTY — Sylacauga citizens are continuing their efforts to shut REEF Environmental down for good.

Area resident Vicki Crowe addressed the Talladega County Commissioners on the issue at their regular meeting Monday. However, as it stands the county is limited in its authority in the matter as the state is currently involved with investigating REEF and Sylacauga is involved in a lawsuit.

In response to Crowe’s concerns, the commissioners adapted their agenda to authorize county attorney Barry Vaughn to request the attorney general’s advice on what legal authority the county has at this point or what other options are available to them.

Crowe inquired if the commissioners had the authority to shut the plant down immediately. Vaughn explained that the county has no such power.

The Alabama Limited Self-Governance Act, which passed in 2005, allows the county certain areas to act on, such as weed abatement and litter control. However, the cities and state remain in much greater power and any authority the county has cannot supersede actions extended by these municipalities.

Therefore, the county can take no action against REEF since the state and the Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs are already taking action by investigating hazard claims and there is a lawsuit in effect by the city as well as a separate class action lawsuit.

Vaughn said this is the first act in more than 100 years that gives Alabama counties any legal authority, yet it is extremely limited, as the name implies.

He said the only relevant clause in the act is that which allows counties to abate unsanitary sewage or pollution. However, the county cannot act on it in this case, as the state is already investigating the pollution issue through ADEM.

Vaughan said ADEM has conducted an investigation that found no evidence of irreparable harm.

Crowe said she is not satisfied with this assessment and believes ADEM is covering for REEF.

Crowe has been a leader in an ongoing campaign against REEF. She said she and fellow campaigner Clara Curtis have collected large amounts of evidence against the wastewater treatment plant in terms of the chemicals its uses, hazardous effects, transportation methods, failures of the plant’s tarp, pollution and other harmful components.

Vaughn recommended that if Crowe or Curtis have evidence they should also make it available to ADEM, attorneys for the city and citizens or other large legal representatives involved with the issue to increase its value in legal matters.

Commissioner John Carter said the fastest way toward legal action they can personally take is to join the class action suit currently pending against REEF.

Also at the meeting, the commissioners approved a state condemnation of a strip of an unnamed road in Munford. This deeds the right-of-way of said property to the state to use for development of Alabama 21.

The area that was condemned was held in public trust and not owned by Munford. Commissioner Jackie Swinford said he was familiar with the area, and it had never been used as a road.

Resident Jim Presley also addressed the commissioners to renew a request to install a fire hydrant in the Logan Martin Lake area. He said there are 21 residences that would benefit from a hydrant.

Presley said he addressed the commissioners on this issue about a year ago.

In other business the commissioners:

• Adopted a legislation to request county delegation in Montgomery to introduce legislation to change the number of possible working days assigned to the Talladega County Board of Registrars.

• Authorized the commission to provide supplemental compensation for members of the county board of equalization. The total compensation for board members cannot exceed $70 per day.

• Authorized the sale of draft or keg beer or malt beverages by properly licensed retailers of the Alabama Alcoholic Control Board.

• Amended the Talladega County Emergency Management Agency’s budget to include a grant for $1,803 from the Emergency Management Performance Grants Cooperative Agreement.

• Approved the application for a $25,000 grant from the Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs for new technology and equipment for the county sheriff’s office. The funds awarded will not require matching county funds.

• Approved an addendum to the “Equipment Associated with 800 MHz Communications System” resolution that passed last March to accept the infrastructure associated with the transfer of a 800 MHz system from Calhoun County to Talladega County.

• Approved ABC licenses for Handy Corner Grill in Talladega for restaurant retail liquor plus a special event license for the Alabama Wildlife Federation for its Wild Game Cook-off on Feb. 6 at Talladega Superspeedway.

In personnel matters, David Wasserman was approved as a new hire and Rachel Morris was approved for retirement. Salaries were adjusted for Dana Uptain, Leslie Robinson, Eric Gray and Clifford Hayes.

Employees approved for conferences or training included LeighAnn Butler, Dana Uptain, John Allen Anthony Frazier, Ronald Wallace, Bryan Allen, Shirley Sims and Cindy Pennington.

There will be a work session on Jan. 25 at 5 p.m. to review the county’s budget and spending. The commission meeting will follow at 6 p.m.

The courthouse will be closed Monday, Jan. 18, in observance of the Martin Luther King holiday.

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claraasa@aol.com
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January 17, 2010


Stop by and check out my facebook, on the latest update on REEF.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000495361563&ref=mf
ryanau99
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January 12, 2010
I see eye to eye with most of you on just about every subject out there. I've posted comments on a few stories but today is the first time I've posted on this subject though I've followed it for months.

I don't like the notion that most of you were willing to talk to REEF just a month ago and now are calling for their heads.

A few questions for you:

1. What is the hospital's official stance on the health problems? (this could convince me to change my view)

2. Why did everyone turn in such a short period (a month) from willing to talk to REEF and even assist the plant on making proper adjustments to its operations?

It is my understanding that as of an hour ago, there is no smell coming from the plant. Are they operating at a lower capacity due to a slow season?

My biggest concern is simple. As a conservative, jobs (small business) is a top priority at the moment, in my humble opinion. If there are serious health hazards, my opinion will change at the drop of a hat. If not supported by local doctors and the EPA, I believe the smell should be tolerated until the industry board helps bring in more jobs for the local unemployed. Other businesses will not say that they won't come to Sylacauga because of REEF. They will come because of nice tax breaks and proper facilities.

I'm not the enemy here, unless you are trying to get more people on the government's payroll. Local officials don't need to do that since the federal government is doing a pretty good job already.
SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
Steve, did you read the article above. please educate me on how the powers of the Commission are limited in some areas and not in others (liquor) Read the agenda.
JackThweatt
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January 12, 2010
BG to the rescue here, gotta go by my real name now thanks to technology.

Did ya'll know that they don't make phone booths anymore. I get this distress call from Steve, try to find a place to change clothes and damned near get arrested for indecent exposure. I tried telling BellSouth that cell phones would do more damage than kryptonite. They listened about as well as this Ryanau bozo. Anybody know what a Ryanau is and where it came from? What size trap do we need to use to catch it so we can send it back?

Now lookie here Ry-noo-noo, I've been on this forum as BGSchneider for about a year now and I haven't seen your name before. If you've been following this forum for any time at all, you will know that I challenged both sides of this issue and the last time I posted on this subject it was in full support of Clara et al. She provided me with convincing evidence and I no longer question her information, sources, or direction.

So here's the deal jackass. You leave these good people alone. Everything they say is fact. If you want to pick a fight with somebody, you pick it with me. I'm a professional at pissing people off. I get great pleasure out of making idiots like you come unglued. So show me what you've got there noo-noo.

ORDER UP!
civlized
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January 12, 2010
SOSAD and Steve, if what you say is true, I am all for them shutting down. Sadly, most of my info comes from the news and this forum. Though I will add that it becomes confusing what the truth is when some of your statements contradict each other on what your intent is. I don't think any new information came to light within a couple of hours today between your posts to change your opinion. You see what I'm getting at? If you want us to stand with you, don't change your opinions so quickly or seem to act, for lack of a better word, political. We all get enough of that.
SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
Steve, It was nice to put a face with the comments. I was sitting with Clara. I agree with your comment and at one time agreed with fixing the problem but to much has come to light to feel that way now. Clara and I welcome any ones support and encourage everyone to get involved this is our community. If we can solve the REEF problem now we can tackle the politians later.

Thank You
Birdsofafeather1
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January 12, 2010
now do you see ryanau99 that your baloney aint flying with the truth?Like i said hitler and a small group destroyed many lives because no one wanted to face the truth and speak up against it.But this is still America where we have that right and by Gods grace we will use it because we the PEOPLE including the unemployed ryanau99 will use that right to do good and not sit in quiet cowardice as some would like . Is it quiet at your house ryan?Are you hiding under your wallet?Because these women have more guts to speak the truth ,does it hurt you?WELL?like steve said you brought a knife to a gun fight.oh and i have my own income so dont even think i would except anything from you because it would be dirty money i and everyone is sure of now...
SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
civilized, When I thought they were tring to fix things and might not be bringing in hazardous materials fine. Now that I have been shown otherwise, SHUT them down and clean up the land that has possibly been contaminated. They employee two people from Sylacauga
romo3
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January 12, 2010
to Ryanau you do get it these people have sacrifice to much they are getting sicker and sicker the doctor want sing off on this i dont no why the people need help now i dont understand. you need to stand with us do you work for reefs if not it sure sound like it if you dont well you might be in the big leag around here what say you
SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
Concerned Citizen; Stop-Think and you'll see the Picture $$$$$$. Commission Members knew who was on the agenda before last night. Vicki had spoken with a Commissioner and she had done very detailed work.

Clara Curtis had addressed the Commission prior to last nights meeting they were all aware of the problem in Sylacauga. Clara was told by Commissioners that they would have to contact the Attorney General's Office. Vicki has contacted the Attorney General about the REEF problem. This reminded me of school, when I did not do my homework and said the dog ate it. Teachers had Class and Honor and would not accept this. Our Commissioner John Carter thinks he is the only one with brains. Mr. Carter I did not vote for you and it offends me that you would think we had no facts to back up our illness and just saying something. We can back it up!

We might not be in high Authority like you, but we have Minds-Can Vote and voice our problems. Vicki and Clara have done everything in Gods way to solve this problem. My Brother lives in California, has loved ones here and his roots are here, he took the time to write to Congressman Rogers out of concern for his family. Congressman Rogers told him to bow out for this was a local and State issue, and since he lives in California he needs to let the State handle the problem.

Clara,Vicki,Ron Johnson and others have tried to solve the problem with petitions,signatures, letters to the Governor,White House and any one who might help Sylacauga.

Now its back to the Attorney General and nothing will be done, it was quoted ADEM found no infractions at REEF, then fined REEF $72,000, if nothing was wrong did ADEM just pick on REEF.

Hope it doesn't take the death of someone before the light goes off in someones head to see that there is a problem.

Wake up something has to be done.
civlized
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January 12, 2010
Maybe some of ryanau's comments were a little strong towards Ms. Crowe, but a lot of what he said makes sense, to me. What he said in no way compared to Hitler and it wasn't as strong as a lot of comments that I've read from others that go un-noticed. I do not agree with trying to shut down a business unless it poses a hazard that can't be fixed or the the business will not fix it. Do I understand that your mission IS to shut down REEF, now? This wasn't what I understood that BG was in for or the purpose of the "talks" that have taken place.

Ms. Crowe has stated that she wanted the place shut down and then posted earlier that was not her intention. Which is it, make them comply with laws and operate to not affect the environment and health or to just shut them down?
SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
Thank You Romo3, We are just trying to help our neighbors that can not get out and speak because they are on oxygen or poor health, Your support means alot. Thank You
romo3
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January 12, 2010
iVE LIVE IN WALCO FOR 30 YEARS. WORK FOR ALVONDALE 27 OF THEM YEARS AND I HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE WE JUST HAD A NEW GRANDBABY AND I WASNT GOING TO HAVE HER IN THIS MESS Ihave a lot of friends that still live there they desirve better than this from john carter.your on your way out election time and sam you are too and whoever syanau who asked you any way sound you was born with a silver spoon in your mouth.Imet some very nise people last night look foward seeing them on here. WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM that i have no idear on how to sove other than jush keeping puting the presure on untill maybe we can get something done thanks vicki crow and clara your doing a good job
civlized
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January 12, 2010
I'm glad you called it ryanau. I was about to. Many people have posted they want this place closed.
ryanau99
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January 12, 2010
"Crowe inquired if the commissioners had the authority to shut the plant down immediately"-Above

Crowe added that people were leaving the city because of the smell, and she wanted to see it stopped. “I don’t want them operating in this town. I want that land put back to where it is environmentally safe for our children, and I want them out of this state,” she said.-Early October Daily Home article

SOSAD2
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January 12, 2010
ryanau99- Read your opinions, you are entitled to them. Do not know where you live and frankly do not care. Your opinion of me is between you and myself,

Please do not attack my friends.

The last thing we are trying to do is cause a buisness to close. If this buisness is costing us money due to emergency room visits, not your tax dollars. None of us are for sale sir!

I will provide you my e-mail address and you can accuse me all day ,help your self. Or if we need to meet you can set the Buddy vickicrowe@att.net
civlized
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January 12, 2010
I have to somewhat agree with ryanau99. I desperately want the smell to end but I am more concerned with health issues. Hopefully, a study is being done to determine if the smell is actually dangerous. I personally don't want to see any business in Sylacauga close and more people out of work. I do want to see the businesses kept responsible and act like a good neighbor. If pieces of the process have been bypassed or not installed, fix it. It is really sad that a company has to have this much of an outcry for this long before they take any action to correct an issue that has been going on since the beginning of its operation. SHAME ON REEF!! Fix your problems so that we can all move on. There is one possible good thing. If the smell turns out to be dangerous, it works as an indicator to the public. Most companies or people that don't care about the public's health normally dump something in the ground or directly into the water which isn't found for quite some time. Have any of you had your water tested?
ryanau99
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January 12, 2010
I mentioned before that I'm well aware that REEF doesn't employ a lot of people. How 'bout you all go to the homes of these few employees and tell their families that they prefer to see their loved ones without a job because someone doesn't like the smell their plant releases in to the air. This is my point.

I don't agree that the smell should be in the air but if its only a foul smell...so be it for now. If there are particles released that are causing people to get sick then the EPA and/or ADEM should come in and clean house, so to speak.

We are in a time where a smell shouldn't cost someone their job. Again, if the plant is releasing hazardous material in to the atmosphere, there should be considerable consequences. Right now, most of the people are causing a ruckus over the smell.

No, I'm not moving to Twin Street.

In regards to insults, I'm a firm believer in fighting fire with fire. Someone compares my idea that people should get over a bad smell for people trying to earn a living to Hitler...that's worthy of a few shots!
Birdsofafeather1
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January 12, 2010
I don't think you are aware, but there is only about 5 people that work at REEF, and most of them do not live in Talladega County. Now I bet you didn't realize that. Also know the people that are fighting againist REEF and are trying to save their families grief. Do not need your tax dollars. Keep paying your corrupt buddies at the County and City Hall. And ryanau99 try living here as Steve said. And then you might be less ignorant to what is going on around here. So we would like to invite you to come spend a week at my house over here, less then a 1/4 of a mile away from REEF so you can see first hand what it's like. Please leave your money at home, we will provide your food. It may taste and smell like REEF though.
MichaelEllis
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January 12, 2010
What all of this really goes to show is how essential constitutional reform is for the state of Alabama to move forward on any level. The elected officials are not the problem, or at least not all of it. The oppression of the people of this state is written into the Constitution of 1901. So while I commend everyone who is fighting to remedy this problem, you might also consider visiting www.contitutionalreform.org, joining Alabama Citizens For Constitutional Reform, or hosting a screening of the documentary "It's A Thick Book."

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